Fetzer's Response to Message #3 from dxmivi
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The latest post from dxmivi (posted through DEJA NEWS but apparently not
as a part of DEJA NEWS) continues the classic smear tactics of the last.
(1) I would observe that "dxmivi" does not disclose his/her identity, a
cowardly tactic that deprives the reader and the subject of attack from
considering that person's integrity, in violation of the canons of moral
and rational discourse, but which dxmivi does not respect, in any case.
(2) In this post, dxmivi acknowledges having edited my initial reply in
which I explained that my five (not just three) books with Paragon House
are only a small part of my publications, which include books with Kluwer,
with Rowman & Allanheld, with Oxford University Press and with Open Court.
(3) S/he dismisses the abridgement, even though it excluded the two most
important sentences in my post, namely: "Many publishers and other media
outlets are owned by corporations with quite diverse interests, of course,
and everyone in a situation like this must decide what to do for themsel-
ves", and subsequently, "Our relations have been completely professional!"
(4) To my surprise, dxmivi actually reposts my last response, but without
indenting my comments on dxmivi's post, claiming that my words are "con-
fusingly merged with paragraphs from [dxmivi]'s last post", which was a
result of deleting my indentations. In the following, they are restored
while--just for the record--I have corrected a few typographical errors:
>Fetzer's last post, which is confusingly merged with paragraphs
>from my last post is reprinted below.
> The 13 Feb 1998 post from firstname.lastname@example.org, which eventually cites as a
> source for its allegations about the Moonies "Robert Perry and the Con-
> sortium" but not the identity of "dxmivi", which I would like to know,
> represents classic smear tactics of guilt by association. The author
> has taken a part of a lengthy post that placed my involvement with Par-
> agon House in perspective and extensively edited it, even to the extent
> of cutting out the most important sentences found therein. The author
> also attacks Peter Coveney, who is an outstanding human being and some-
> one utterly undeserving of these gross and immoral assaults. If any-
> one has been looking for a case study in propagandistic techniques, I
> offer a pure example from "Deja News". My comments are indented below.
>>Fetzer and Moonies
>>Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:01:19 -0600
>>Deja News Posting Service
>>James Fetzer has supplied additional information about
>>his association with the Moonies. He acknowledges
>>that he knows that the publisher of several of his books,
>>Paragon House, is owned by the Moonies. Jim Fetzer states:
> This paragraph puts a subtle twist on my response, which was open
> and chock-full of information about my publishing activities, in-
> cluding two more books for Paragon, ten for Kluwer Academic Pub-
> lishers (with an eleventh forthcoming), one for Rowman & Allanheld,
> two forthcoming from Oxford University Press, and of course the new
> book, ASSASSINATION SCIENCE, from Open Court. It also elaborates
> upon my editorial work, including co-editing SYNTHESE and editing
> MINDS AND MACHINES, as well as serving as the series editor of two
> book series, STUDIES IN COGNITIVE SYSTEMS and EXPLORATIONS IN PHIL-
> OSOPHY. (See my previous post, "Re: Professor Fetzer & Paragon
> House" 11 Feb 1998, for more information.) Considering how much
> more I have published with Kluwer, I would have thought that Deja
> News would want to investigate them! All of this information, how-
> ever, has been edited out by Deja News to create a false impression
> that my publishing revolves about Paragon House, which is not true.
>>"With respect to Paragon House, I was initially contacted by two
>>respected philosophers, John Roth of Claremont Graduate School and
>>Frederick Sontag of Pomona College, who were editing a series of
>>textbooks for undergraduates, asking if I might be interested in
>>authoring an introduction to the field of cognitive science. I liked
>>the idea and soon found myself working with an excellent in-house editor,
>>Peter Coveney, now the Executive Editor of M.E. Sharpe, Inc., of Armonk,
>>New York. When I discovered the house was owned by the Moonies, I had a
>>lengthy talk with Peter, who assured me that the publishing house was
>>independent of any editorial control from the Moonies."
>>George Bush has assured the world that The Washington Times is also
>>independent from editorial control of the Moonies and Sun Myung Moon.
>>As we shall see later in this post, this is obviously not the case.
>>It seems that persons on this news group do not realize the significance
>>of an association with a Moonie-owned propaganda organization. This is
>>not an exercise in character assassination and there is no intent to
>>imply guilt by association in this message. Jim Fetzer may not realize
>>what it means to be welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors.
>>If he does not, this may serve to enlighten him. If, on the other hand,
>>he knows and does not care, then everyone should view his writings with
>>suspicion, no matter what the subject matter may be.
> I am sure relieved to learn that "This is not an exercise in char-
> acter assassination and there is no intent to imply guilt by as-
> sociation in this message"! And what does Geoge Bush have to do
> with my books? "Jim Fetzer may not realize what it means to be
> welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors." Of course,
> I have also been welcomed into the stable of Kluwer-endorsed au-
> thors, of Rowman & Allanheld-endorsed authors, of Oxford Univer-
> sity Press-endorsed authors, and of Open Court-endorsed authors!
> So what exactly does that mean in any of these cases? I find it
> fascinating, moreover, that the quotation from my response to the
> original Deja News post EDITED OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT SENTENCES:
> "Many publishers and other media outlets are owned by corpora-
> tions with quite diverse interests, of course, and everyone in
> a situation like this must decide what to do for themselves. I
> stayed with Paragon and have now published five Paragon books."
> Here are some examples of the reasoning exemplified in this post:
> As I understand it, Dominos Pizza is owned by a family that is
> opposed to abortion and funds anti-abortion activities. Those
> who order Dominos pizzas, therefore, must be (conscious or un-
> conscious) tools of the anti-abortion movement! NBC Television,
> as I understand it, is owned by General Electric, a corporation
> that has in the past managed to pay no (or practically no) cor-
> porate taxes for decades. Those who watch programs on NBC must
> therefore be (conscious or unconscious) tools of anti-government
> policies, since without tax revenues, there can be no government!
> Most corporations--related to publishing or not--have diverse in-
> terests, and each of us must decide what to do in each instance.
> Special interest (in this case, anti-Moonie) groups seem to have
> no scruples at all in their efforts to promote their message, even
> to the extent of advancing baseless smears of American citizens in
> the exercise of their rights (such as, in this instance, the right
> to freedom of speech and freedom of the press) when they are not in
> sufficient agreement with their own narrowly-defined point of view!
>>Fetzer says he believed Mr. Coveney's assurances that Paragon House was
>>"independent" of Moonie control. He may believe this, but it is not
>>necessarily true, and just because he says he believes this, does not
>>exclude the possibility that he knows that they are not independent.
>>There is also the possibility that Coveney was deliberately misleading
> This is a particularly offense example of the propagandistic smear.
> Peter Coveney is an outstanding human being whom I know very well.
> My experience is completely consistent with the his assurance that
> the house is NOT under Moonie EDITORIAL CONTROL. Certainly, in my
> experience--which has now extended over about ten years--there has
> been absolutely NO EFFORT by any member of the editorial staff to
> exert any improper influence of any kind! I have witnessed absolute-
> ly NO Moonie influence WHATSOEVER regarding any of the books that I
> have publisher or that others have published in the same book series.
> Let me illustrate how insideous is the line of reasoning that is be-
> ing used by dxmivi: Mother Teresa says that her work for the poor
> is intended to further their spiritual well-being. Mother Teresa
> may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just because
> Mother Teresa says she believes this does not exclude the possibil-
> ity that Mother Teresa knows that this is not the case. There is
> also the possibility that Mother Teresa is deliberately misleading
> everyone who receives her posts in order to promote her own agenda.
> This kind of argument can be used on almost anyone about anything.
>>Fetzer also says that he believes that Paragon House is not profitable.
>>"Publishing is a mixed bag for the Moonies, as I understand it, however,
>>since Paragon appears to lose money."
> I went on to say, "Our relations have been completely profession-
> al"! dxmivi could now repeat his argument of before by claiming,
> Fetzer may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just
> because Fetzer says he believes this does not exclude the possi-
> bility that Fetzer knows this is not the case. There is also the
> possibility that Fetzer is deliberately misleading everyone who
> may ever receive his posts in order to promote the Moonie agenda!
> (It must be useful to have all-purpose, off-the-shelf, smears!)
> It can, of course, also be turned on dxmivi. Consider: dxmivi
> says this is not an exercise in character assassination and there
> is no intent to imply guilt by association in this message. He
> may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just because
> dxmivi says he believes this does not exclude the possibility that
> he knows that this is untrue. There is also the possibility that
> dxmivi is deliberately misleading everyone who receives his posts.
>>If Paragon House looses money, that does not mean that it isn't worth
>>the loss, if it furthers the propaganda purposes of the Moonie cult.
>>It also may be a useful write-off for the Moon organization, if it is
>>a money looser. If it does make money, and Fetzer seems uncertain about
>>this, it supports the cult and its "goals" with its financial gains.
> Great! If it makes money, then that's good for the Moonies, and
> if it loses money, then that's good for the Moonies, too! So no
> matter what the situation, it must be good for the Moonies! All
> I can say--and I am not the Paragon House accountant, so I cannot
> make assertions with certainty--is that my experience with Para-
> gon House suggests to me that Paragon is, in fact, a money loser.
>>Let's look at the circumstances of the acquisition of Paragon House by
>>the Moonies. The following excerpt was taken from:
> Here followed an extremely long message about the Moonies that
> I have deleted insofar as it has nothing to do with me, except
> insofar as I am not conforming to the expressed wishes and de-
> sired of dxmivi and Deja News! They are attacking me because
> I am not doing what they want me to do! My freedom of associ-
> ation, freedom of speech, and freedom of publication are under
> assault! When they are done with me, they will come for you!
>>Jim Fetzer has been selected to be part of the Moonie information
>>machine. He may not know how evil Rev. Moon is. He may think that
>>Paragon House is free from control, but that is not the case. Every
>>author who is selected and invited to write for them is seen as an
>>integral part of the Moonie agenda. I will not accuse Fetzer of
>>deliberately and knowingly furthering that agenda, but, if he has any
>>conscience, he will immediately disassociate himself from their efforts
>>to "create a just and harmonious world order" (Moon's words).
>>He should break away from Moon's "vision" that "included the creation
>>of a worldwide publishing program, of which Paragon House Publishers
>>has become the center of this effort." (Quote from Moonie site).
>>Our thanks to Robert Parry and the Consortium, where much of this
>>material exposing the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Professors World Peace
>>Academy, International Cultural Foundation and Paragon House was found.
>>Visit them at: http://www.delve.com/consort.html
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> Just think about it! I am a university professor with tenure
> who is paid to conduct teaching and research on the basis of
> my best scholarly abilities. If I were now to kowtow to the
> self-serving demands of dxmivi and Deja News, it would repre-
> sent the abdication of every principle of academic freedom
> for which higher education in the United States is supposed
> to stand. I cannot abide a narrow special interest group of
> this kind deliberately subjecting American citizens to slan-
> derous attacks for exercising their Constitutional freedoms
> and rights! Something extremely dangerous is going no here,
> but it has little to do with me or my Paragon publications.
> James H. Fetzer
> McKnight Professor
> University of Minnesota
> Duluth, MN 55812
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(6) I stand by the arguments presented in this post. Anyone who succumbs
to dxmivi's totalitarian tactics today regarding his/her publications
can expect to be subjected to similar tactics tomorrow regarding his/
her pizza preferences and soon regarding his/her choice of TV viewing!
These insidious, unAmerican, and undemocratic practices must end! Now!